113 thoughts on “Imagine”

  1. Instead of thinking of the Soviet Union, think of The countries on the top of the Happiest countries in the world lists— they are the least religious countries: Denmark, Sweden, Germany. A country like Russia would not become a happy one if religion were banned, it has to happen through education not force, make education free and it will take the place of religion and create a more peaceful society.

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  3. Einstein didn’t ever write a treaty on the Talmud. Kirhna did one about Bhagavad Gita. Unlike Einstein, he never renounced hinduism. He was utterly misguided in the non violence he deduced from the book. Srila Prabhupada, founder of the Hare Krishna, wrote extensively about this:

    “Prabhupāda: Well, in politics, unless there is violence, you cannot take. Simply by sweet words, not possible. That was the difference between our political leaders, Mahatma Gandhi and Subhash Chandra Bose. So Subhash Chandra Bose was of opinion that—and that is a fact—that “You are agitating non-violence. These people will never care for your non-violence. Unless there is violence, so these Britishers will never go away.” So Gandhi would say, “No, I am not going to accept this violence theory. I shall continue.” So for thirty years… He started from 1917 and up to ’47, the Britishers did not go. But when Subhash Chandra Bose, he saw… He took the political power. He became the president. But Gandhi was angry. So because he was old leader, out of respect, he resigned the presidentship. Then he thought that “So long this man will live, there will be no independence.” So he went out of India and joined with Hitler, and Tojo, Japanese.

    Nitāi: Who went out of India?

    Prabhupāda: This Subhash Chandra Bose. And he organized the INA, Indian National Army. So when this Indian National Army was organized and the Britishers… They were great politicians. They saw, “Now the army is going to national movement. We cannot be.” Then they left. Because it was not possible. They were maintaining British Empire with Indian money, Indian men. You see? They did not conquer by their British soldiers all round the Far East, Burma and the Mesopotamia, and the Egypt. That was Indian army, the Sikh soldiers and the Gurkha soldiers, and Indian money. On the pretext that “For Indian protection, we are maintaining this army.” Actually, they were expanding their empire. Africa, Burma. And when they saw that “India is lost,” voluntarily they liquidated all others. Went back… Back to home, back to Godhead. (devotees laugh) So in politics this is nonsense, non-violence. It is nonsense, cowardism. In politics in sweet words you cannot get. There must be fight, arms. That is army. “If you don’t agree, then fist.” That is politics. There must be violence. Otherwise you cannot control. When there is educated good men, then you can argue. But when people are ruffians, there is no question of good…Argumentum vaculum, I told you the other day… [break] …in the beginning of creation, the fight between the demons and the demigods,devāsura-yuddha. That is always there. In the European history, without revolution, no order changes. Even the Russian Revolution was there. French revolution was there. In England, Cromwell? Cromwell? Cromwell Revolution?”

  4. Right. Whatever that is, and whatever Einstein understood of it. For instance:

    “In a letter to Henry Oldenburg he states that: “as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken”.[1] For Spinoza, our universe (cosmos) is a mode under two attributes of Thought and Extension. God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world.”

  5. It was necessary, because you quoted it as if it was denying God, when it was denying a personal God. As we saw before, Einstein denies people who deny God too, and his point is all about the nature of such God as being non personal.

  6. Read up on Spinoza’s pantheism, it is not as simple as a “giant clock assembled by chance” but it is also not a theistic religion. It is where, by most accounts and by his own most direct and forceful statements, Einstein’s spirituality comfortably sits.

    “…I am he as you are he as you are me. And we are all together…”

    BTW I did post that full quote in my first or second post so I didn’t think it was necessary here…

  7. No, it was not a straightforward denial of what I am claiming. Finish the quote: “I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.”

    “God”, in religion, is usually this personal God that Einstein denies. It’s the invisible man in the sky. But time and time again Einstein also denies atheists. So no Universe as giant clock assembled by chance for you. There are laws and there is a lawgiver, and Einstein calls this lawgiver God, even as he vehemently denies a human nature to this God.

  8. “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.” — Albert Einstein

    As you can see we can keep exchanging Einstein’s quotes ad nauseum. So here is my position and why I think it is the correct one.

    Einstein born in 1879 to a irreligious, non-observant, middle class, intelligentsia, Jewish family. In the late 1800s European intelligentsia saw in Spinoza’s pantheism an antidote to materialism, atheism, and deism because of it’s three fundamental ideas: the unity of all that exists; the regularity of all that happens; the identity of spirit and nature. This was also fortified through that period’s newly found fascination with Eastern culture and philosophies. Spinoza’s pantheism strongly correlates with the deeper philosophical teachings of both Hinduism and Taoism.

    Einstein, as I’m sure you will agree, mentions Spinoza often when questioned about metaphysical ideas and that he most often uses the term “god” colloquially. To me all this indicates a none deistic interpretation of panthieism.

    This is strongly reenforced by his letter, written in the last years of his life, to Joseph Dispentiere, an Atheist distressed by speculations of Einstein’s religiosity in the press: “…It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions…”. It is a straightforward denial of what you seem to be claiming today.

    BTW I have never called him a cryptic Atheist but we can if you wish discuss, like Mendelssohn and Jacobi, whether Spinozist pantheism is a theistic or atheistic world view.

  9. They’ve tried that world already, it was called The Soviet Union, and it ended up with shortages on toilet papers and guarded walls to prevent the people from *going out*.
    Paper (and dreams) accept anything. So how about we dream of a world where people can live together as unique human beings, with their religions and nations intact, instead of dreaming of mass globalization and atheism?

  10. “In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”

    “God is a mystery. But a comprehensible mystery. I have nothing but awe when I observe the laws of nature. There are not laws without a lawgiver, but how does this lawgiver look? Certainly not like a man magnified.”

    Admit, man, the guy was not simply a cryptic Atheist even if I admit he was not a crypto Jew. The Universe, for him, was not just a massive chance assembled clockwork, even if it was neither an invisible man on the sky. He refused both Jewish *and* Atheist worldviews.

  11. Spinoza’s pantheism — the unity of all that exists, the regularity of all that happens and the identity of spirit and nature… the the Universe and God are identical.

    “I believe in Spinoza’s God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind… Scientific research can reduce superstition by encouraging people to think and view things in terms of cause and effect. Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order… This firm belief, a belief bound up with a deep feeling, in a superior mind that reveals itself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God. In common parlance this may be described as “pantheistic” (Spinoza).” — Albert

    It is also worthwhile to mention that towards the end of his life he was appalled at how his views and the colloquial use of the word god was used by religious people at attribute religiosity to him.

    “…It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it…” — 1954 letter to Joseph Dispentiere.

    No doubt the man was deeply spiritual but as a explicit/strong/militant/Atheist so am I…

  12. I long for the day when religion is view as a quaint hobby, like stamp collecting or train spotting.

  13. He’s holding a gun. Not aiming it. Then he breaks it. Then you missed the point. You are a score keeper. Which means you don’t get the message, and that’s too bad because it’s a good one. Maybe you should put the scoreboard down and come out of the forest so you can see the trees.

  14. I wouldn’t go too far in the “non-religious” aspect of Einstein’s pantheism. He was definitely non-sectarian, but all in all his position rubs me a lot more as religious:

    “As a religious position, some describe pantheism as the polar opposite of atheism.[5] From this standpoint, pantheism is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing, immanent God.[2] All forms of reality may then be considered either modes of that Being, or identical with it.[7] Others hold that pantheism is a non-religious philosophical position. To them, pantheism is the view that the Universe and God are identical.;[8] in other words: that the Universe (with all its divine extensions, planets, suns, galaxies, thrones and creatures) is what people and religions call “God”.”

    Non-religious pantheism looks to me like pure mechanism, whilst Einstein seems to be hinting to something deeper than both an animistic or mechanistic God.

  15. finish the quote — “…Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious
    force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza’s
    Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought.
    Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first
    philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two
    separate things.”

    Pantheism is a non-religious philosophical position that posits the idea that the Universe and God are identical and is part of the deeper teachings of Hinduism and Taosim.

    “…I am he as you are he as you are me. And we are all together…”

  16. The state of Israel was created in a territory that was governed by Great Britain at the time. The indigenous people at that time were primarily nomadic who lived all over the area, including what is now Jordan and Syria. They were given their own land at the time but decided that they would rather try to drive the Jews out of the land than accept a compromise. That is where the conflict started. More killing has been done by so-called Palestinians than by the Israeli army over the years.

  17. The entire concept of chemtrails is completely made up conspiracy theory nonsense.

  18. Imagine what the Jews feel when they were all kicked out of Egypt in 1956. Where do you think they had to go?

  19. It’s not about that group of people being believers or non-believers. Pay attention to the lyrics: “You may say I’m a DREAMER, but I’m not the only one.” This is a group of people who dreamed of (and worked for) peace.

  20. “Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds.”

    “[T]he fanatical atheists…are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional ‘opium of the people’—cannot bear the music of the spheres.”

  21. why apologise to him ? he is bigot , his whole post from beginning to end is full of venom and hate , if he is a Jew as i am , he is not a very good one

  22. פירות הציונית המטורפת עוגת it is people like YOU on both sides that stop peace sit down and shut up as a Sabra Jew im offended by your bullshit

  23. Yes. I neither believe in heaven or hell. The comment I was replying to, Joan, seemed to dislike that panel where the Israeli soldier was breaking his gun in half in front of the muslim woman. I was pointing out that he could allow for alternative perspectives, because no one, not even Israelis are immune to all fault.

  24. Sigh, wrong. Einstein was an atheist:

    “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it” – AE

  25. Yes, yes, yes. I get it. You feel you are justified in your feelings. I never said you weren’t. I was just pointing out (and still am) that the cartoon was about peace and love between all of us, and you still want to use it as a platform for perpetuating your bias and hate of others. We all have bias. There is nothing for me to wake up to. I know people are bad to each other. How about stopping for a moment.

  26. my hate to America and israel did not appear out of nothing.
    and im a cartoon artist too and i know very well the massage this delivers and the ideas it contains through the illustration … you may call me a hater but you cant justify the killing and all the terror they bring ..open your eyes and wake up

  27. Whatever you say. My point was it was not a matter of not agreeing. It is that the art was about peace, and you decide to put in your own hate of Americans and Israelis into it. What you read into it was what you brought with you, not necessarily the artist’s intent. No one’s hands are clean, and certainly not Palestinians or Muslims. That is the problem. The point is to get past that. Not that, in a message of peace, you are glad artist appeared to support your views.

  28. well the fact is there will always be war and i’m just being realistic
    and in the end this is the internet and people says all kinds of things you may not agree with me ..but im just glad the artist cleared out some points i mentioned earlier

  29. So in other words, you are still for all the hate of others you don’t agree with. Too bad you missed the point.

  30. Actually, She looks like Anna Politovskaja, an indipendent russian journalist murdered on Putin’s birthday…

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  32. Looks like Anna Lindh. She was the minister for foreign affairs in Sweden and worked for a lot of good things in the world, for example, she was one of the people who helped avert a civil war in Macedonia. She was however killed 11th of september 2003.

  33. Except that the boy that was killed was proven to be shot by Hamas, and not the Israeli soldiers. More Israelis and Palestinians die at the hands of other Palestinians than anyone dying because of Israeli soldiers. The problem is how much media will you be suckered into believing.

  34. What? this statement makes you one too 🙁 (a peaceful hater, I mean). And all he’s doing is expressing a song visually. Why would it make it better to have the person holding the gun anything else? He’s just a person, like all the rest of us, capable of breaking a weapon instead of using it. and since people of one religion tend to misunderstand those from other religions, I think it’s a valid point (though it may have been more effective to make him Christian & American). But the idea behind it is what matters, and if you didn’t see that, I’m sorry the experience was a nasty one for you.

  35. im glad he drew the American solider with the awkward smile with a surrender smile
    because obviously the artist who drew this knows that USA who brings the killing
    and im glad he drew the Israeli solider breaking his gun in front of the Palestinian Muslim woman that shows who really shoot guns .
    these are only dreams and none of them will be achieved as long as there is USA with its wicked plans and Israel with its terror against the Palestinians

  36. Most religions preach peace, and are supposed to exercise it. Really, religion isn’t the problem, it’s the people believing in those religions. I mean, even if you abolished the “major religions,” we’d all still have varying beliefs on the universe and life and morals.
    What “No religion” means to me is that, no one would go to such lengths with it. We would believe what we want, and tell each other if we felt like discussing it, and have debates and bounce ideas off of each other, even write books or come up with terms for our ideas, but no one would be so narrow-minded to have anything against someone that believes differently. No one would build a church to separate themselves from the rest of the world. We wouldn’t let the differing belief divide us, only shrug it off.
    There would still be religion, it just wouldn’t be an issue anymore.

  37. imagine no countries, no religions its easy if you try. in that world anti semitism doesnt exist there is no israel or palestine or australia or iceland… no christianity no muslims no jews no rastafaris, … come on man pay attention now!!

  38. I really like the message of the song, Lennon expressed very well. Although there is something in it that is not very common to mention, if someone has said before: It’s too dangerous to have a centralized world government! It might be better that we had smaller countries, as city-nation, no visas required, or borders, or armies. I feel awful the idea of ​​a world government. Too much power in a few hands never been good. It’s just my little opinion.

  39. Me gusta mucho el mensaje de la canción, Lennon se expresa muy bien. Aunque hay algo en ella que no es muy común mencionarlo, si es que alguien lo ha dicho antes: Es demasiado peligroso tener un gobierno Mundial centralizado! Tal vez sería mejor que tuviéramos países más pequeños, Como ciudades-nación, Sin visas requeridas, Ni fronteras, ni ejércitos. Me parece horrible la idea de un gobierno mundial. Demasiado poder en pocas manos nunca sido bueno. Sólo es mi pequeña opinión.

  40. I’ve never seen Anna Cataldi wearing glasses, and it does resemble Politkovskaya a bit. Plus with the red background…i’d agree it’s probably Anna Politkovskaya.

  41. Well, Israel isn’t exactelly innocent. I saw a documentary that shows a boy that the father was killed by a soldier form Israel. Sure they are taget of terrorist, but is not all black and white.

  42. Pablo Stanley. Imagine no Anti-Semitism! I wonder if you can.
    Out of the entire world of violence you chose to inaccurately portray an Israeli solider aiming a gun at a civilian Muslim?! STOP IMAGINING FICTION!
    Try again, Pablo. Next time use someone like Assad who kills more civilians in one day than Israel did over an entire war that was out of self defense to over 500 rockets in one week! Where’s that picture? Hamas using women and children as shields… or firing rockets from schools, mosques, hospitals? Where are these pictures?
    How about Muslim oppression of innocent INFIDELS around the world? Why not that picture? How about Europe before and after the hostlie takeover by Islam, Pabs?
    How about accurately portraying Israel as the humane nation that assists more countries than ones 10x its size?! How about Israel leading the forefront in endless medical and scientific breakthroughs that benefit the globe?! IMAGINE that!
    Tell ya what Stan the Man. I will Imagine a world without Anti-Semites and you will be among the millions who would vanish into thin air! IMAGINE no more Haters disguised as pacifists!

  43. I’ve always loved the words of John Lennon’s song and now your cartoon has brought it to life in a unique and beautiful way. If only this could be achieved.

  44. I’m pretty sure the Reverand Dr. Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi had religious convictions (Christianity and Hinduism respectively). Einstein was Jewish and gave some indication in his writings that he may have, on some level, believed in an ultimate Creator. Perhaps it’s possible that some people of faith can still work for peace among all men. Just a thought.

  45. Great post however since when Einstein is pacifist or ateist? As far as i know he was kind of deist who believed in superior power also I have never heard he wanted change the world. IMO he thought the system which is present is necessarry.

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